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Living a rich and purposeful life EP1
Are you ready to to live a rich and purposeful life?
In this episode of the podcast, I sit down with Stephen Armytage to discuss his upcoming program, Living a Rich and Purposeful Life. Stephen has spent the last 15 years developing a universal approach to helping people live a fulfilling and thriving life. During the conversation, Stephen shares his personal journey of hitting rock bottom and how it led him to reinvent his life. He also discusses how COVID-19 has presented an opportunity for deep reflection and how his program can help people move into a new phase of their lives. Living a Rich and Purposeful Life is a four-night retreat, aimed at those who feel disconnected and are asking questions like "Is this all life's about?"
The program is designed to assist people in living a rich and purposeful life, which for Stephen, is a thriving life. We also delve into the importance of taking purposeful steps towards the kind of life you want to live, and how his program can help people do just that.
The episode concludes with Stephen sharing a snippet of how his program came about and how he has evolved over the years. We delve deep in a three part interview that will provide you with an insight into how he got to where he is now.
If you're feeling a little off-color or disconnected, then this episode is a must-listen. It's a great opportunity to learn about how you can start living a more purposeful and fulfilling life. For more information about the upcoming retreat visit. https://larpl.com.au/
Hello, my name is Jeremy melder, and I'm the presenter from beaming green. Before we start, I would like to acknowledge that this podcast is being held on the traditional lands of the Bundjalung people and paying our respects to elders both past, present and emerging. Welcome to Season Two of beaming grain. Now available on YouTube or your favorite podcast platform. We offer a array of inspiring guests speaking about their life experiences, on topics including sustainable living, environmental issues, and human sustainability. So whether you're a seasoned eco warrior, or just starting your sustainability journey, beaming Green has something for everyone. So join us for season two, and let been some Greenham together. So Steven, welcome to beaming green. Now, it's been so long that I've done an episode. I'm feeling a little bit raw here. And to say that we're now in front of a camera is another challenge. But I'm glad to be with my good buddy. And doing this live with you on camera. So welcome.
Stephen Armytage:Thanks, Jeremy. Yeah, it's a pleasure to be here. And I guess I'm feeling slightly uncomfortable with things in my ears, a big microphone in front of me and a camera. So thanks for the opportunity.
Jeremy Melder:It's great. Look, I know you've been plotting and scheming over the last few years, and you've come up with this you beaut program that you're going to be launching very, very soon. Do you want to tell us a little bit about it?
Stephen Armytage:Yet? Sure. Well, thanks. It's, it's called Living a rich and purposeful life. And it's a four night retreat. Five days, if you will. And it's all about assisting people to live what the name says. So assisting people to, to live a rich and purposeful life, which for me, is a thriving life. And for those people that are out there that I guess aren't feeling like they're thriving, they've maybe thrived at a moment in their life. But they're feeling a little off color, a little louder, vibration, a little disconnected and asking questions like, Is this all life's about? You know, I kind of thought life was gonna end up a bit different from this, do I need to settle with this, don't settle with this job or this relationship, or this term time in my life. And, and I guess for those people that are feeling that, firstly, I feel I feel your pain, because I've been through that. And, and I do actually feel like there's there's some great options on offer. And I've spent, I guess, the last 15 years cracking, what I believe is a universal approach to, to doing that. And that's what I'm offering over a four night five day experience called Living a rich and purposeful life or lapo, for short, larval
Jeremy Melder:Yes, look, do you think, you know, we've just overcome COVID Or we believe we've come overcome COVID. And I think a lot of people were reflecting during that period of time as to their life, their life purpose and so on. Do you believe this is something an opportunity for someone to come on a course like this, to reflect and learn and and move forward with that?
Stephen Armytage:Absolutely. And I think, you know, Apple, should I say COVID has presented two opportunities. One is for, for, for a deep sense of reflection. And I think for lots of people COVID brought lots of gifts. And if you have felt propelled from COVID, to change your life and to make it better than all good to you. For those people who are kind of sitting more in a lower vibration from from law school, they've they've kind of had time to reflect on their life. And they don't really love everything that they see, there are aspects in their life that they want to change, and they perhaps not clear about how they might do that, then I think that that label is a tremendous opportunity for those people to move into a to a new phase of their life to to take a purposeful step towards the kind of life they'd like to live and that's what larval is all about.
Jeremy Melder:So I've witnessed your your evolution, so to speak of where you want it to be, and so on. And do you for our listeners? Would you like to give a little bit of a snippet of how this all started and came about for you? 15 years ago?
Stephen Armytage:Yeah. So, so I had. So I've always enjoyed a pretty good life. I suspect like most of your listeners, you know, there's been some high points and some low points and, and I hit a really big low point, 14 years ago. I was, was married and still married at the same woman. Good, I'm proud to say two gorgeous kids who are now you know, thriving adults, a tremendous career and things are going really well, in my kind of out out my outward facing world, my social media world was looking good with I'm not a big social media player. It was an enviable lifestyle, but there was something that was kind of wrong in what was going on, I felt that I felt that tickle of something's not quite right. And when I I had and a big network of people, and when I kind of was having the searching conversations with those people, nobody seemed to be able to provide me with, with answers, the answers I was looking for, in fact, even able to kind of, you know, helped me to find the path. So I went on more than a metaphorical kind of journey to kind of find out what was what was going on. And then eventuated in a trip around Australia, with my wife, and my kids, and I parked my, my, my professional career, which I'd striven for 20 years to kind of build to the top. And I guess on the way around Australia, I was sitting on a beach in Cape of eek which is northern Western Australia, about broom. And it just dawned on me, the bit that was missing the bit of my life that I guess that the awareness that was missing for me that I needed to kind of finish the jigsaw puzzle, so that I could step into the next phase of my life. And that, for me, really was a i, we completely reinvented our life, I guess. And it doesn't need to be that dramatic. But it was dramatic for me. And it involves me not going back to the partnership that I was in, it involved us moving into state. So yeah, so we did a tree change, and that, and now we're talking about tree changes, I guess, 14 years ago, and there was lots of examples of tree changes that have sold up and actually found they were moving into a lifestyle that didn't suit them at all. We found that, you know, taking that whole transformative kind of period, it took me six months to work out what was missing. And then it took me maybe 14 years to put all the pieces together to get back on track. And we invented and reinvented ourselves. And we now have, you know, a lifestyle that feels like it's very congruent and in alignment with our value set. Not to say that it wasn't like that previously, because it was I guess we've just, I, we have just stepped up to the next level and, and the lifestyle checked all of the boxes, that that, that were really important for us, starting with connection to who we truly are, who I truly am. The relationship I want with my my life partner, the relationship that I wanted to build with my kids, probably the most important relationships after my relationship with Sonia. And then how I turned up in the rest of my relationships with my family, my community, my relationship with place was really important. And then how do I get alignment all the way through my life from there. And it's been a process of doing that. And, and I feel like, you know, we're really, I'm really in a place of thriving now. And in a place of giving back. It's not to say that my life's perfect every day. You know, yesterday, I woke up tired and kind of drag my ass around for the whole day kind of licking my wounds and feeling a bit sorry for myself. So, you know, it's not a Nirvana that I'm in, but I certainly feel like over the last 14 years, my life has gone from really good to even better than really good.
Jeremy Melder:Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of like you're sharpening your pencil, you know, because we've all got, we've all got, you know, a goal that we're trying to achieve, but it's kind of like we're trying to find where we fit in, in this jigsaw puzzle of life, you know, and what our core values are, you know, because we think We know what our core values are. But we kind of, well, I think I find different bits or aspects of myself that I didn't know about very well. And the further I go into that, that, that is sharpening my pencil a little bit more to so. So that's really what I want. This is what I want to get out of this is my understanding gets deeper in that aspect of my life. So I guess that's what you're going through in that 15 year phase? Well, most of our lives, we're going through this not just 15 years, because you're a little bit older than 15. But you know, so So I guess we're all, you know, being made aware of some of our, you know, vulnerabilities.
Stephen Armytage:Absolutely. And I love your analogy, the sharpening the pencil thing is a great analogy. And, you know, for me, I'm pretty pragmatic kind of a guy. And I realize you can actually over sharpen your pencil as well, if you make it to fine, the end snaps off. And I think that's kind of what happened to those tree changes I was talking about, they kind of going, geez, I'm really dissatisfied with my life right now. And they kind of, it's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater, you know, they go for a big jump, because they're dissatisfied with what's currently going on. And rather than kind of going through a process of refinement, they've gone for a place of, you know, step change. And if you don't have the basis for that step change, you can step into something that's not something you want to be where you want to be. So think that process of sharpening the pencil and honing the pencil. And in fact, for me, it's about working out that the pencils not just one color, it's actually 12 colors in my pencil, and the importance of making sure that I've got balanced and each of those 12 colors. That's been really key for me.
Jeremy Melder:Excellent. So Steven, you were sharing, we were camping a few weeks ago, and you were sharing with us around or we didn't have a campfire, but we're sitting around a circle having breakfast. And you're sharing one of the stories which I think is useful for our listeners about this gentleman that had a quite a substantial rig and the status of his life, if you wouldn't mind sharing that because I think that's kind of pertinent to this conversation.
Stephen Armytage:Yeah, well, thanks. I think I just made everybody coffee on my, on my guest via coffee machine. Henry. Yeah. So good burrito. So, yeah, so we we ended up this as part of this journey, we ended up in Berlin, as lots of people do going around Australia. And we were just at the end of the the dry season. So perfect conditions. And we stopped in a caravan park. And on the way to keep the week we were I had my you know, my big awareness moment. And I noticed over next to the the toilet block that there was this massive, hugely impressive are the the Americans would call it it was like one of those super duper buses that looked like it's the kind of a Greyhound bus, if you will. That was enormous. Anyway, we went off to Cape lovey and then came back two weeks later, and this past was still parked up beside the toilet block. And I took a bit of an interest in this and this you know, being a bit of a gauge what's going on, you know, he had a more impressive rate than I did, certainly much less. So anyway, I got I got talking to the guy and he showed me what was going on in this in this boss and he literally had everything that opens and shuts so they had a spa bath they had a full size series they had like a solar the you know, a bigger solar system and way bigger solar system the average house would have had washing machines dryers, they could park up there, Suzuki Jiminy in the back of this thing. I'll just record it literally had everything. And I was we're including a desalination plan. So so for those listeners who don't know what a desalination plant is, basically you can pump up and he could pump up 20 vertical meters. So you basically, you know, drive up to a cliff, throw your your pipe into the seawater that's below, pump it up, filters it and then turn seawater into fresh water.
Jeremy Melder:Oh my god.
Stephen Armytage:And this is all solar powered, right? And so pretty much this guy in his RV could be anywhere in Australia. And I thought it was really ironic that over a period of a month, he was parked up against a toilet block in a caravan park and that really felt strange to me. Anyway, the the conversation kind of deepened and one day we'd been to the beach in the morning and I came back for shower just to wash the salt off and there realize this guy, again. He's probably in his late 60s, maybe early 70s. He then told me that he'd asked how old I was. And I was mid 40s At that point, and, and I was going on this adventure with my kids trying to work out who I wanted to be and what was going on, I was completely, you know, I was a bit gag, you know, the big decisions, and the day was, what are they gonna have, what we're going to eat, where we were going to be and what we were going to do for the day? And where are we going to be here again, tomorrow, we'll be going somewhere else, these were the big questions in my life. And that was a great relief. So anyway, this guy opens up to me in the incredible way that being on the road can. And he shared with me that he had incredible business and financial success. But in fact, he'd kind of destroyed his life. And he said to me, in a really heartfelt way, to wish I had the courage to step out of my life when I was mid 40. Because I could have potentially salvaged my, my relationship with my wife could have salvage the relationship with my two girls. And having a$2 million RV boss, and a couple of houses a house in Pied Piper and, and overlooking the harbor doesn't kind of make up for that loss that he was feeling. And he felt that his life was basically done. And he went on to share with him me that his second wife, was the reason why they were parked up against this. You know, in essence, toilet block in a caravan park, because she hated traveling. So he painted a picture of real regret. And, and I just thought, wow, you know, this is a guy who, in many aspects has got everything the things that people are striving for. And actually, he had nothing. He told me, his his girls were estranged, they wouldn't talk to him anymore. They just thought he was a bastard, he used stronger language to describe that. And I thought, my God, I mean, this is just an incredible opportunity that I'm being presented with. And, you know, he talked about a moment where I think a parent had died, where he had this moment where he could have changed his life in his 40s. And rather than doing that he just doubled down and and invested himself in his career. And, you know, as a company, Director of four or five organizations, the guy was worth, you know, millions of dollars, clearly, back in those days, a $2 million camper van was, you know, it was something that something did something to behold. Right. Yeah. I mean, you know, spending$2 million on a house was kind of almost impossible to do unless you were buying kind of in the harbor in Sydney. Yeah. So he clearly had, he clearly checked all the boxes around, you know, wealth and reward and job and all that kind of stuff. But he was miserable.
Jeremy Melder:What a great reminder for you, though, isn't it? Like you listening to that story? It makes my heart sink for that, man? Because obviously, he's gone through? quite a challenging time. And he's reflecting on that, hopefully, this this moment that you shared, maybe he also took something out of that discussion, you know, and maybe he do you feel like he had any, any inkling of changing his life at that point or not?
Stephen Armytage:Any upside? Yeah. I don't know. Why, I guess what it did was, it just reinforced to me, that that the courage that I needed to take to step away from my career then and to invest in understanding what was right for me, it just reinforced the importance of that. And it's really interesting as part of this trip around Australia, I had a number of situations, they kind of presented themselves that were saying, Hey, dude, don't waste this opportunity and be courageous. And I think that's an incredible it's an incredible hit. He was an incredible metaphor for me. In fact, he's one of the cornerstones for why I created Liverpool because I don't I don't want to say see people getting to the, you know, getting close to the end of their lives, how many?
Jeremy Melder:How many are there, right? It's not just this one person that's isolated, it's not an isolated incident, there's hundreds of 1000s of people around the world that think that work is the way through and having, you know, financial success is the way through, that'll make you happy. You know, lots of us, including myself, you know, thought that was going to be a solution, but it's not, it does, you know, have an impact on your family, and those around you. So it's kind of a great time to reflect on that. Yeah, for me, for all of us. But I think, you know, like, that time, if I remember correctly, was around the same time you that your father had also died recently. And that also had some challenges. So this man had an opportunity, you know, when his father had died to maybe change his career direction or his choices, but you've, you've made some choices there. And you could have gone down that path that this gentleman had gone down.
Stephen Armytage:To be fair, though. What what happened, my dad passed away, my mum got sick, my my wife's father got really sick and got bumped into dementia. So there was a lot going on in those days. And I would have probably continued on the merry path that I was on that. But it was like, there was something inside me that was just awakening. And it was just saying, This isn't right. And you need to do something about that. I had a strong sense about that. And I also had some, some strong indicators that, that if I continued on that path that I was kind of playing Russian roulette with, with all the things that were important to me, that life has a really tremendous way of throwing up what I call significant moments of transition. It's another tremendous acronym. So I've got lateral, and smarts, significant moments of transition. And I think that life does present us these significant moments of transition. And that which, which provide us with opportunities to kind of bump up to make a change. It's kind of like, well, you know, this because you you went overseas after you finished high school. And lots of people do that, you know, they finish high school, I finished university, and they go overseas to find themselves. And our class that is a significant moment of opportunity, significant moment of transition. And when you go overseas, you know, this yourself, you can kind of present to the world who you'd like to be, absolutely, rather than all the things that kind of you were tainted with going through slack,
Jeremy Melder:Facebook. You bet it's, it's real,
Stephen Armytage:it's real. And through these moments, you can, you know, people come back, and it's like, they reengineer their lives, they re engineer the way they see themselves, because what they put out into the world is what gets reflected back to them. And for most people. These overseas adventures allow them to come back in a different vibration in a new way, they see themselves in a new way. And often there's a step change in their life, they might change direction in career, they might settle down and start cleaning their cleaning their bedrooms and not relying on their mother to do washing for them. They might learn how to cook. Or they're, you know, they might start a significant relationship or change a significant relationship. There's a bunch of stuff that goes on with these significant moments of transition. And certainly death of a loved one that you're close to. They present tremendous opportunities. For reflection, you kind of it feels like, for me, I feel like when I go through one of these moments, and I've mapped them, and there's 60, that I can identify that normal people like you and me will experience and some of them will be profound, and some of them will glide through. And some of them may stop us in our tracks. And lapo is about people that have gone through one of these moments. And they're looking for answers. They're still in that moment where they're looking for answers about how things could be better how things how the pencils could be sharpened, or which colored pencil they should be focusing now on their life. And making those purposeful changes rather than just being rather than just kind of going down the river of life with a set of Gold Coast posts that may not actually suit them, like for instance, old mate in broom. I think what he was looking for was financial security. And that's a great thing to have because it forms the basis for a life of Not worrying about where the next meal is coming from. The thing is that getting to a place of financial security is like a graduated, sit gradient for for us. And for, you know, people that are in, you know, Thailand that might be 10,000 US dollars a year or $5,000 us a year. But in America, it might be four and a half million US dollars a year. And you have to the thing that that may vary here is that, once you've got to that place of financial security doesn't have a material effect on your degree of happiness. And in the pursuit of continuing to go down that path. Are you actually getting closer to that place, place of joy and thriving that that place of living a rich and purposeful life? Or in fact, through this process? Are you going further away from it?
Jeremy Melder:I mean, I'd look at it as collateral damage, what's the collateral damage for this goal of financial success that you're going through? So like you've, you know, with with you value your kids, and you went around Australia, and you wanted to build a deep and meaningful relationship with your kids? And I guess I've got a question here, right, by doing that, was that worthwhile? Or do you think it was worthwhile? I think I know the answer to that, but in what way
Stephen Armytage:you kind of just about made me tear up couldn't have made a more valuable investment. Yeah, in in, in my son and my daughter, I mean, these were fundamental turning points in their lives. And it was a fundamental turning point in their, in the relationship with my wife as well. And, and a fundamental turning point for me. So yeah, and that's priceless. It's absolutely priceless. And our daughter is now a pediatric occupational therapist. She's only got training wheels on right now. And I'm incredibly proud of it. But one of the motivations for going around Australia was that she's, she's she's a pretty potent woman. And I recognize that. For those people out there who have got potent women in their lives, it can be a bit inconvenient, to say the least in what
Jeremy Melder:way Steven?
Stephen Armytage:Well, they tend to at least my one, my one, my wife is the same. They kind of rock the boat when they don't see things being completely straight. And yeah, I guess? That's a good question. So my daughter used to get stuck into me, but she'd also get stuck into life. So she was, you know, she had a thirst for life. And at nine years old, as a dad, I was twice her size. I've just posted a photograph of him 14 years ago, which is kind of almost where where we were, I could kind of keep her on the straight and narrow through authoritarian kind of relationship and my size. But she was on the cusp of adolescence. And I'd seen lots of disasters, heard lots of disasters about, you know, pubescent girls just becoming a real handful. And I didn't feel like I had a relationship that was strong enough to kind of weather that storm. So a big motivator for going around Australia was to, was to invest in that relationship with her. And now in, you know, her her professional opinion is that we didn't do such a bad job, apparently, her professional opinion, are professional and personal. She basically she used, she uses her textbook and her learnings to kind of full effect on her on her childhood, and she recognizes that, you know, Mum and Dad spending 12 months teaching them, you know, geography and history and English and maths and relating that to their environment on the side of the road, or in a national park, or in some desert or beach, and relating these kind of theoretical subjects into everyday life. That made a huge difference to her being able to kind of relate to her, her self in her environment. And I think that's an incredibly valuable learning, you know, to be able to turn up and even this morning, you know, I turned up without my computer Go for this session. And we had a little bit of, you know, we had a little bit of turmoil because we didn't know we'd plan to have this conversation. And I turned up without a piece of important kit. And just being able to be in the moment, and just be aware of the tension, I felt like I'd let you down. I felt like, you know, I was just about to waste your time and, and all that sort of stuff. And then just to kind of go, Okay, well, that's interesting, let's just see how that plays out. And then to move forward and to respond to the situation in a functional way rather than a dysfunctional line. And I found a couple of dysfunctional ways of kind of presenting the situation turned up for me. Yeah. And I recognize that, you know, you didn't blame me for being a complete dickhead, not jumping out with my computer. And you could have, right, so Well,
Jeremy Melder:I didn't ask you to bring your computer. So that was an assumption on my part. So anyway, that's it to two pronged attack there, we could have explained just communicating.
Stephen Armytage:And I think by being in touch with being in connection with place and our emotions, and then choosing to respond to the circumstance is an incredibly valuable skill. And I guess, you know, Alyssa says that going around Australia, and being with mom and dad, 24/7, for a year, had its ups and its downs, but some of the UPS allowed her to just to be with herself, and to respond to what was going on in your environment. And that allows her to build capacity at an incredibly young age.
Jeremy Melder:Absolutely. And don't forget you, you both qualified teachers as well and did a great job teaching them.
Stephen Armytage:That's true. That's true, we are both teachers, so bad, bad. I mean, for those, for those people out here who are inspired to go around Australia, in their 40s, with kids that are under 10, I would say do it. If you've got the resources to do it, do it. And you can feel the urge to scratch that itch. And, you know, this is a plug for Queensland and Victoria and education systems, they will provide you with all the materials that you need to provide your kids with a learning experience. And our kids came back in front of their peers really at the end of the 12 month periods. And we took them out. So they did the first two terms, we took them out for term three, and they came back at term three. So you know, we're not even talking about a clean calendar year kind of went over two years. And the kids just and they went into a completely new foreign environment, we put them into school in New South Wales country, New South Wales, which was very different from their, from their teacher from their learning experience when they were in, in Canberra. So you know, these kids are adaptable, and teaching them to be adaptable, teaching them to be resourceful, teaching them how to be resilient, these are massive skills for for life and saying mom and dad, not really knowing what the plan was. I mean, you know, a trip around Australia is kind of futile, right? Because your end destination is where you start? Yeah. So it's kinda like, what, and it's all about the journey. And it's, and the interesting thing is that when we got to the end of the journey, Our destination was somewhere different.
Jeremy Melder:It's like, what, northern New South Wales
Stephen Armytage:and EU and, and we were strongly called to this part of the world. But, you know, what was clear about this part of the world was that my career because you know, working remotely, and all that kind of stuff wasn't as, as prevalent as it was, as it is today. There were that it came with the responsibility of a reinvention. But the beautiful thing was that the reinvention was kind of on our terms, not on not on the other terms, not on the the terms that were kind of defined by anybody else. And I think that's what levels about law pool is about providing people with a way to respond uniquely to their circumstances, and to their dreams, and then to start making meaningful progress from current reality to dream. That sounds pretty good.
Jeremy Melder:Sounds great. Now, Steven, we're just about running out of time in our segment that we're going to do just the introduction to Laffel or your background as to where you how you started this, which we're going to go into what happened in the 15 year period next in the next episode, but you're offering a unique opportunity for people in May and of May to join the retreat at gamea eco retreat. Is it the 31st Mind, do you want to put in a bit of a plug for that so that people can go to your website now? And, and register their interest and or even come?
Stephen Armytage:Wow. Well, thanks. Yeah, that sounds great. So I've got a bit of an issue with the whole kind of marketing thing, because I don't want anybody there, I don't want to get anybody there by any, you know,
Jeremy Melder:no spin,
Stephen Armytage:no spin. So, I haven't actually done any marketing from this, I've just reached out to a bunch of people via email. I've got 24 places, it starts on Wednesday, the 31st. of May, and it goes to June, the fourth Sunday, June the fourth. And for your viewers, this sounds like a marketing grab. There's an early bird pricing so so what I'm offering is, it's probably a four and a half $1,000 value, and I'll offer your guests the earlybird rate, which is something less than than $2,000. I don't know, I wasn't kind of prepared for this offer. But there's,
Jeremy Melder:we'll be putting that on the website, on the beaming green website, and also in Facebook marketing, for him, not that we're into marketing too much, but you will find out about it somehow.
Stephen Armytage:So So basically, it's an all inclusive, immersive experience at a time here retreat, which is an eco retreat up here in northern New South Wales, and you will be fed, delicious, organic food. And there'll be plenty of it for those guys that think you need to have a good plate of meat to be satisfied. It's not just vegetarian. So it is vegetarian. It's a vegetarian organic, food prepared by just one of the most amazing chefs. It's four nights accommodation, and you've got a twin share option, or you've got a room on your own option. Day Spa massage, sound therapy, and a bunch of other really cool stuff immersed in in northern New South Wales plus just an incredible, rich program. So for your for your listeners, I would love to offer that at at the earlybird rate, which is literally half of what the commercial rate will be. And this is my first group retreat. So in some respects, you know, we're going to be doing some, some refining and some honing of that. And if people enjoy what they love, I would love them to provide me with some testimonials. I've run people through the course before. In fact me in fact, you Yep. Which you will you can talk about that. But I really feel like this is my gift to the world. And I'd love to find a way to provide it both in a face to face but also in a more contemporary kind of way to do that as well. So yeah, so 31st of May to the fourth of June, up here in northern New South Wales, there are still 16 places that are available, right, yes, 16 places that are available. And we're just about to start marketing process. So
Jeremy Melder:fantastic. So for the listeners, I have done the pilot version of this retreat with Steven, today, I can't give you a 32nd grab here because there's a lot more detail than this. But Stephen will, you know he's put a lot of energy into to producing this program. As he said his it is the first one that he's putting out, and he's giving us a really great price for our listeners to attend. And have a look on the website la apple.com.
Stephen Armytage:That's L A. P now.com.
Jeremy Melder:Great, and there's there's going to be a lot of information as to what Steven is doing. And we are going to continue this conversation because I think it's important that we get a bit more background as to where Steven, why Stephen has done this. And hopefully you're enjoying this conversation and we'll speak to you next time. Thanks for tuning into beaming green. Don't forget to check out our YouTube channel@green.com And leave us a review on your preferred podcast or subscribe to us on YouTube. And a special thanks to Dave and to Roman Senate on Pixabay for producing some amazing music. Keep living green and we'll see you next time. Bye Hi